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Vetoing : Take Out The Trash

10/9/2013

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You may be wondering how we plan shows. We have never come up with a formal process, but basically both Darren and I have total veto power.  Historically, it works as such. In a typical month, I come up with 20 ideas and Darren vetoes 18 of them. Darren comes up with 5 ideas and I veto 3 of them.  We both end up contributing 2 ideas. (NOTE: I have done no research on these figures and they are completely made up. I will send this to Darren before posting this, so he can provide alternate figures if he wishes)

Now, part of me thinks this is a bad process that could lead to complete paralysis and nothing happening, but in actuality it has worked out pretty great. If we tried to use every idea, the show would be constantly changing and never become something solid like our Themes Show.  There is definitely a part of me that likes the idea of having a constantly changing show, but I can see how what we have now is better.  Now to be clear, I am not complaining about Darren vetoing 90% of my ideas. If anything, I think we need more vetoing.  I legitimately think it is a cool process and decided to write about it this month since I had the word veto scribbled down in my list of possible blog ideas. Recently however I have noticed two possible flaws in this process. 

Problem 1: Later, The Third Option

This one may or may not be my fault.  Obviously it is not fun to get your ideas vetoed, so naturally I started to re-frame ideas as to not get vetoed. A few years ago, I started pitching ideas to work towards instead for the current show. Suddenly, there was a third choice, instead of just "yes" or "no", now there was "later".  While getting a later seems better than getting a no, I am starting to have my doubts.  Three years ago I came up with a Bye Bye Bye routine.(If you need proof here is a video of me practicing it in 2010) Now we have worked on this routine off and on for the past three years, but it has never been done in front of an audience and there are no plans to do it in front of an audience in the near future. The song doesn't fit our typical shows. The style of juggling clashes with Darren style of juggling. Yet it is still un-vetoed.  It is going to be tough to veto it after three years of practice. I honestly don't even know if we should at this point, but if i could go back in time 3 years and veto it back then, I would do that.  

Problem 2: Endurance, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no again 

Recently we started on a new endeavor, and suddenly the roles have switched. Now for reasons I don't completely understand Darren is bringing lots of of ideas to the table, and i have to figure how many to veto. The number one thing I have figured out about this so far is that while getting your ideas vetoed is not fun, having to veto ideas is less fun. Basically I have a new found respect for Darren's ability to veto such a large amount of ideas. I don't know if I will be able to veto 18 ideas a month, but I am going to try to step my veto game up (ideally this includes self vetoing). Don't worry about this too much Darren, this is all probably just me rambling and nothing much will change.

One last point: In December I need to remember to post the outline for the Christmas show Darren vetoed, it is completely ridiculous and involved a Frankenstein themed  juggling routine.  
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mark mcculley
10/9/2013 09:27:16 am

if you both vetoed all of each other's ideas, then you would end up with something like the present "shutdown" of the "non-essential" american empire. No more juggling at all.

But it seems you both have a surplus of un-vetoed ideas in the bank. That's good. Because juggling is more essential to life than killing for empire....

I don't vote in the elections of the empire. But it would be cool to be on a team where one vote was enough to veto. But what if there were three of you? Good thing girl-friends don't get a vote....

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mark mcculley
10/9/2013 06:31:03 pm

If I could go back in time, I would have had additional things to say in my first comment. The opposite of a veto is some kind of "amen". And I amen the sense of regret--if you could go back in time, you would have not wasted so much time on certain tricks, and in order not to have wasted that time, you "would have" had Darren veto what turned out to be a bad idea or you "would have" self-vetoed.

And this sense of regret, of being unable to retrieve the time, I tell you, it gets a lot worse as you get older. Of course it's vanity, it's impossible, but so also was all that time you spent doing the thing you now see that you "could have, should have"...not been doing.

http://iveybusinessjournal.com/topics/global-business/cutting-your-losses-how-to-avoid-the-sunk-cost-trap#

The sunk cost trap is about not wanting to veto the idea now because you want to have vetoed it then, and since you can't go back and veto it then, you hesitate to veto it now instead of "cutting your losses". But then again, self-veto can turn into a paralysis, with no imagination or further experiments.

Please don't use the word "envision" when you can say either "see" or "imagine". Not that you do this, or ever did this, but think of my suggestion as a kind of "preemptive veto", a before the time veto.
Only Dict Vitale should "utilize" the word "envision". The rest of us should use the words use and see.

I am wondering about past vs present tense in your last sentence. The outline for the show Darren vetoed "is" or "was" not good? Or both? The idea was not good and still is not good, but when i think of a combination of x-mass and frankenstein, I can't quite agree that I don't want to know what that idea looks like

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